Sunday, March 16, 2008

... or are we?

Sometimes I have to pause to wonder about some of the things I've read in the blogosphere, and at this very address in particular.

This (at least, where I am) is America, and we enjoy tremendous freedoms. With those freedoms come great social responsibility that we cannot ignore. One of those responsibilities is to one another, to treat one another with respect, and to allow our neighbors to pursue their own brand of happiness. My happiness may very well not be yours. That's all right.

All of us essentially think that our way of doing things, our beliefs, our faiths, our patterns are the right ways. Only God knows the right way, and even then, I say that because I believe in God. You might not. That's your own spiritual business and far be it from me to tell you how your own spiritual journey should go.

This address has been a repository of hatred and intolerance for a long time. I am taking the opportunity of the domain free-up to say that not everyone who believes in salvation is the same. To be a Christian is to be Christlike. It is to be humble and forgiving. It is to hold ourselves to a high standard of morality and ethics. This place is no longer a space filled with intolerance. It is a place of acceptance of all people, and of those people's journeys. This place is a bastion from the cruelty of the world, rather than a place filled with excoriating rants and belittling name calling. Kyle, you are in my prayers, because that's really the best I can do for you. I certainly don't hate you (I don't even know you, except through your footprint in cyberspace), but I do feel sorry for the anger and hatred and vitriol you seem to live with.

12 comments:

Anonymous said...

"All of us essentially think that our way of doing things, our beliefs, our faiths, our patterns are the right ways."

That includes you you slanderous hypocrite, or are you the exception to the rule oh God?

"Only God knows the right way,"

And yet this site as you say below was a place of intolerance and hypocrisy? Can you say anything without contradicting yourself you hypocrite?

"and even then, I say that because I believe in God."

You mean, your imaginary one, the one that bows down to your feelings, to your truths. Look up the word truths and evidence and God, hint, they don't mean: "Whatever you say it means."

"You might not. That's your own spiritual business and far be it from me to tell you how your own spiritual journey should go."

Oh but hypocrite who decides who is crazy or not, didn't you say below that this place was formerly a place of hatred? Can't you make sense oh Judge of Right from Wrong? Oh Judge of Truth? Oh Judge of Me? Oh, here it comes, the hate you pretend that isn't in your heart:

"This address has been a repository of hatred and intolerance for a long time."

Wow, what happened to your tolerance for the beliefs of others? Oh, I see hypocrite, it's everyone's beliefs except for the 30+ million Calvinistic Christians who don't tolerate your beliefs. *Shakes head*. Didn't you learn anything from the previous owner, who exposed the contradictory hatred of your kind over, and over, over? Thick-skulled and willful eh? An opinion basher to the end eh? Slam your head into a brick wall and keep slamming it anyways eh?

"I am taking the opportunity of the domain free-up to say that not everyone who believes in salvation is the same."

And your point hypocrite?

"To be a Christian is to be Christlike."

Which means not slandering, not being a hypocrite, and being careful with what you say, spotting when you are contradicting yourself. Big duh right there eh self-righteous one? Right Mr. "Only God knows the right way"? That must make you God since you are telling us Christians how to be Christlike right? Oh wait, your not, because you're clueless. You just say the word and pretend whatever it is you feel about it is what it means. Forget the dictionary, forget the Bible from whence Christianity bases it's core beliefs on, forget history, it's all about you and your feelings, and the feelings of anyone else you say are a o.k.

"It is to be humble and forgiving."

So why don't you be humble and forgiving? Oh, did you notice that everyone? I can repeat the same thing, and does that make me right? No genius. Simply saying the words doesn't make you a good person. Once again, your word does not determine what is true. Stop contradicting yourself already.

"It is to hold ourselves to a high standard of morality and ethics."

Ooopsie, yet another contradiction. You're wrong "Mr. being a Christian is to be Christlike". According to the Christ you pretend to love, this is what it means to be a Christian:

"Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me" - John 14:21

"For I have come to turn 'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. A man's enemies will be the members of his own household. 'Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me." - Matthew 10:35-38

"Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe STANDS CONDEMNED ALREADY because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son." -
John 3:18

So, what were you saying about tolerance? Aren't you a ranting hypocrite who pretends to know what you don't? Yes you are.

"This place is no longer a space filled with intolerance."

But hypocrite-judge, who are you to say what is right or wrong when you said just a few sentences earlier:

"Only God knows the right way"? So again, who made you God arrogant hypocrite?

"It is a place of acceptance of all people,"

Oh but wait, didn't you just say,

"This place is no longer a space filled with intolerance."

How are you so forgetful of what you said a mere few sentences before? So it's okay for you to be intolerant and hateful of what I believe (while declaring you don't even know the difference between right from wrong" but not okay for me to point out what the Bible (that includes Christ you hypocrite) clearly says is right or wrong:

"Do not bear false witness"

"Do not murder"

"Honor your father and your mother"

"Do not steal"

"Do not covet"

"Do not commit adultery"

But which an evil hypocrite slanderer like you claims can mean whatever you want it to mean (oh except for the 30+ million Calvinistic Christians, oopsie), oh wait, it can't, because only God knew what he really meant when he said, "Do not murder" and "Do not oppress". Right, evil one?

Tell us, how is it, if you can't know what God meant, you can know what I mean when I say to you, "You hypocrite!" or "Do not bear false witness"?

Do when God says something, magically, and conveniently for a babbler like you, it becomes impossible to understand lol? Tell us what language God will speak to us oh wise one. Show us your evidence that God cannot say, "Do not steal" in a way that can be understood, genius.

Like Jesus said of hypocrites like you,

"Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written:

'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.' 'You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.'

And he said to them: 'You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions! For Moses said, 'Honor your father and your mother,' and, 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.' But you say that if a man says to his father or mother: 'Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is Corban' (that is, a gift devoted to God), then you no longer let him do anything for his father or mother. Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.'" - Mark 7:6-13

Indeed you hypocrite, you and your kind that all the time as you've demonstrated here with your hateful rant.

"and of those people's journeys."

Sophist babble.

"This place is a bastion from the cruelty of the world, rather than a place filled with excoriating rants and belittling name calling."

What happened to your tolerance hypocrite? It's hard to keep the bitterness in isn't it? It's hard to pretend to be righteous when you are not, isn't it slanderer? Slanderer, once again, your insults are not true merely because you feel they are. Learn what evidence and truth means, oh God.

Like Jesus said about your hypocrite kind:

"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves." - Matthew 7:15

"You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies." - John 8:44

"Kyle, you are in my prayers, because that's really the best I can do for you."

Like God said of your kind:

"They fully intend to topple him from his lofty place; they take delight in lies. With their mouths they bless, but in their hearts they curse." - Psalm 62:4

"Yahweh is far from the wicked but he hears the prayer of the righteous." - Proverbs 15:29

"I certainly don't hate you"

And whatever you say is true, because you are God, because You are the Way and the Light and the Truth, because only your morality is right, only your way of Christianity is right. Hypocrite, listen to Christ who you pretend to love:

"For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, AND THEN YOU WILL SEE CLEARLY to remove the speck from your brother's eye."
- Matthew 7:2-5

"(I don't even know you, except through your footprint in cyberspace)"

(yet you clearly did not bother to carefully read what I said - which you would have known was the same beliefs as 30+ million Calvinistic Christians - and what the Bible I repeatedly quoted said. It's very obvious - to a person not blinded with hate and driven to insult whoever doesn't agree with their feelings - from your bumbling, self-refuting, slander.)

You judge me based on your feelings as everyone can see here, which you've put out in the open like a clueless moron.

LOOK UP THE MEANING OF THE WORD INSULT. HINT: IT DOESN'T MEAN WHATEVER THE BELITTLING, INSULTING, SLANDERING, CONTRADICTING, SELF-RIGHTEOUS, OPINION BASHING, TRUTH-INTOLERANT HYPOCRITE SAYS IT IS. In other words: you aren't the truth.)

"but I do feel sorry for the anger and hatred and vitriol you seem to live with."

Jesus replies: "Stop judging by mere appearances, and make a right judgment." - John 7:24

"Not a word from their mouth can be trusted; their heart is filled with destruction. Their throat is an open grave; with their tongue they speak deceit." - Psalm 5:9

"His malice may be concealed by deception, but his wickedness will be exposed in the assembly." - Proverbs 26:26

"But everything exposed by the light becomes visible" - Ephesians 5:13

Aren't you so loving to say that. *Look at your audience and smiles, and claps at your loving speech, your fault-finding slander with passive aggressiveness.

Oh, wait, what I "seem" to live with? So you're judging me based on mere appearances? Wow, I hope you aren't a paid judge or in some position of leadership, because you are clearly an evil judge.

And you feel sorrow based on what "seems" lol? Truly you are an evil moron. Don't you know that old line, "Don't judge a book by it's cover" or God's?: "There is a way that seems right to a man, but the end thereof leads to death." Do you buy expensive things based on what they seem to be or based on what they EVIDENTLY are? So, who is the stupid hateful clueless one here?

Oh, he's fooling us everyone because he didn't use caps, didn't use exclamation marks, didn't say "hypocrite", but instead used smug passive aggressive insults.

*Looks at the crowd and smiles and pats you on the back*. Feel better now that you got the hate out? Do you feel good now?

But, no, you aren't God. You have no right to tell me not to obey God when he said, "Do not let the sun go down on your anger". I certainly will not be a hypocrite for you, hypocrite. As you said yourself, you can't know the truth, so shut up hypocrite.

"A fool finds no pleasure in understanding but delights in airing his own opinions." - Proverbs 18:2

"If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you." - John 15:19

"whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks around in the darkness; he does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded him." - 1 John 2:11

"Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him." - 1 John 3:15

"This, then, is how you should pray: 'Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us today our daily bread." - Matthew 6:10

"The tempter came to him and said, 'If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.' Jesus answered, 'It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.'" - Matthew 4:3-5

"But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them. They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over weak-willed women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, always learning but NEVER ABLE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE TRUTH. Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these men oppose the truth—men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected. But they will not get very far because, as in the case of those men, their folly will be clear to everyone." - 2 Timothy 3:1-9

"The inhabitants of the earth will gloat over them and will celebrate by sending each other gifts, because these two prophets had tormented those who live on the earth." - Revelation 11:10

"Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: "Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Christ. For the accuser of our brothers, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down." - Revelation 12:10

"The arrogant dig pitfalls for me, contrary to your law." - Psalm 119:85

"If a man digs a pit, he will fall into it; if a man rolls a stone, it will roll back on him." - Proverbs 26:27

"Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall." - Proverbs 16:18

"'but let him who boasts boast about this: that he understands and knows me, that I am Yahweh, who exercises kindness, justice and righteousness on earth, for in these I delight,' declares Yahweh." - Jeremiah 9:24

I know, and understand, Yahweh.

May that God you refuse to listen to, continue to bless you, and may he forgive you as well, even when you pretend to be Him, even when you judge by feelings and what seems rather than logic and truth.

And remember God's warning, his clear warning:

"You hate all who do wrong." (Psalm 5:5), repeated by Christ you claim to follow:

"whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him." - John 3:36

And who is the Son?:

"He is 'the stone you builders rejected, which has become the capstone.' Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved." - Acts 4:11-12

Alexa Connelly said...

It's notable (as kyle pointed out) that ranters like Variegate think that as long as they don't say, "you fool" that they aren't insulting anyone. What childish, bird-brained, morally-warped, empty logic.

Clearly, he's answered your question, but in case you're not as patient enough as him to thoroughly and carefully read a response, in case you are too prideful, in case you would rather make another cheap-shot, hypocritical, belittling rant filled with baseless insults (in other words hit and run), I'll make it sum up what he said for you:

"Not everyone is crazy, but you clearly are: Christ, the real Truth, said so."

Anonymous said...

"vitriol"? Pretentious wording = Christlike?

Someone help me find at least one verse where Jesus uses high words to sound impressive. Oh, I found some:

Isaiah 28:9-11:

"Who is it he is trying to teach?
To whom is he explaining his message? To children weaned from their milk, to those just taken from the breast?

For it is: 'Do and do, do and do,
rule on rule, rule on rule;
a little here, a little there.'

Very well then, with foreign lips and strange tongues God will speak to this people"

Oh, look, another one; Isaiah 29:11:

"For you this whole vision is nothing but words sealed in a scroll. And if you give the scroll to someone who can read, and say to him, 'Read this, please,' he will answer, 'I can't; it is sealed.'"

Woah, a few more!:

"Then the disciples came to him and asked, 'Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this?'

He replied, 'Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots. Leave them; they are blind guides. If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.'" - Christ said that!

Anonymous said...

lol, he is a baby raper aint he?

"oooo mommie my baby pussie is being raped,"

lol lol lol! u no u wanna hear that!

read some hentai, that way u can just watch babies being raped instead of doing it yourself kyle

Anonymous said...

Kyle AIN'T here no more... LOL LOL LOL!

I hope more hackers hack you buddy.

Keep up the good work Variagete.

Anonymous said...

You remind me of Muslims who claim to be peaceful while holding up signs demanding that those who insult Islam be beheaded.

Variegate: This (at least, where I am) is America, and we enjoy tremendous freedoms.

How is it you're speaking for everyone in America? So people in prison for smoking marijuana or growing it, or kids stuck with abusive parents, or even trapped in a house with them, so people oppressed by evil police officers and leaders is "tremendous freedoms"? So Mayor Rudy G. depriving the NY fire dept. of standard equipment they needed to perform their jobs without looking like disgraceful bumblers and after years of that, sending in fireman to recover gold from the 9/11 rubble at the cost of their lives while he sat in safety from a distance, and then covering up that fact with his other friends in high places while adding insult to injury by running for president and acting like some super righteous man, is "tremendous freedoms"? Did the Patriot Act also help us get some tremendous freedoms? What delusion-inducing drug have you been sniffing?? Your are one ignorant arrogant coward to say what you did.

Variegate: With those freedoms come great social responsibility that we cannot ignore.

Why are you preaching if you said, as Kyle pointed out, only God can know the truth? Which is it? You can or can't know right from wrong?

Imitating Martin Luther King doesn't make you look smart: it makes you out to be a mindless copycat.

Save your preaching if you sincerely believe only God knows right from wrong and won't share with anyone this valuable info (which is a load of crock).

Variegate: One of those responsibilities is to one another, to treat one another with respect

Do you seriously believe that "treating others with respect" means, without any evidence,calling presbyterians or baptists, or anyone at all, "hateful ranters that belittle others with insults"? The hell world... oh wait, what you really meant was, "treating others with respect as long as they agree with me and don't rebuke me when they see me do wrong and won't stop."

Wow, so much for, as you pleaded, being "humble", "forgiving", and "tolerant".

So much for "bless those who curse you" and "turn the other cheek".

By not citing evidence for what you've said, you've made it plain as day that you're attacking him merely because you hate that he disagrees with your religion, which apparently is a religion of "Please me or get insulted by me" and throwing in "Christ" in the mix to make yourself sound nice (or is it to annoy?).

You really sound like is a wicked witch taunting kyle and anyone else who doesn't agree with your "tolerate me or else" philosophy.

Kyle and the other Christians made it really clear that Jesus was not the tolerant person you pretend he is, let alone someone who says whatever you feel like.

You've got a lot of growing up to do. Start with feeling sorry for yourself for kicking a person who was apparently down and already being kicked. Last time I checked, rubbing it in, and rubbing salt in the wound, was not loving like Christ loved at all.

Kyle should have also said to you,

"Learn what love means."

LimeLightGurl said...

wtf is excoriating? is that like excrement?

HIM and me said...

What is so sad, is that most of these comments APPEAR to condone destructive characteristics, and so they feel sorry for one who projects their faults on others to make it look as though they are blameless, and then when they are called out, they accuse everyone else for there problems. And we feel sorry for the one who was "singled out".

By trying to defend themselves, there are endless posting of scriptures that have been twisted to suit ones interpretation of whatever point they were trying to make. I didn't get it.

Jesus should have been the example to the one with the long comment, "... He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth" Acts 8:32.

"A man of knowledge uses words with restraint, and a man of understanding is even-tempered.
 Even a fool is thought wise if he keeps silent, and discerning if he holds his tongue." Proverbs 17:27-28.

God help us, for we cannot help ourselves.

Unknown said...

Variegate said,

"What is so sad, is that most of these comments APPEAR to condone destructive characteristics,"

Your mere word is evidence is it?

Variegate: "and so they feel sorry for one who projects their faults on others to make it look as though they are blameless,"

Logic check, what does "feeling sorry for a person projecting" have to do with the former, "most of these comments APPEAR to condone destructive characteristics"?

Wow, so if comments appear to condone "destructive characteristics" Mr. Pretentious Sophist, that means "people feel sorry for a person who projects"? You're a babbling idiot. But lets read the rest of your harassment so how stupid and evil you are can be seen even more:

"and then when they are called out, they accuse everyone else for there problems."

Just as you do Variegate. What's your point?

"And we feel sorry for the one who was 'singled out'".

Oh, you mean we shouldn't feel bad for kyle being SINGLED OUT BY YOU VARIEGATE? Oh are you saying that those people speaking badly are really kyle, hence why they don't truly "CONDONE destructive characteristics"?

Wasn't your SINGLING OUT kyle, as you rant admits, and vilifying him and slandering him and demanding that he only listen to your ranting, and stop talking, which you put in bold (like that's really gonna get a child of God to stop talking) a "destructive characteristic" enough?

How about this alternate person of yours, trying to draw kyle into endlessly listening to you rant so that you can waste his time, God's time, and prevent others from learning the truth and being saved and not being in Hell with you forever? Isn't he destructive enough evil one? How about all those evil words kyle pointed out coming from your kind (which you pretend to appreciate), were those good enough? So all that hateful harassment on Wikipedia, Yahoo Answers, and Amazon, wasn't singling him out or destructive enough huh? How stupid are you?

Variegate: "By trying to defend themselves, there are endless posting of scriptures that have been twisted to suit ones interpretation of whatever point they were trying to make."

And they've been twisted because, you said so. Liars can never do anything but put out mere "talk" and never any evidence, like you've done here.

"I didn't get it."

That's because,

You don't listen, but keep babbling babbling babbling your opinions. Take your own advice and listen, just like Kyle does evil one:

"Yahweh has brought over you a deep sleep: He has sealed your eyes (the prophets) he has covered your heads (the seers). For you this whole vision is nothing but words sealed in a scroll. And if you give the scroll to someone who can read, and say to him, 'Read this, please,' he will answer, 'I can't; it is sealed.' Or if you give the scroll to someone who cannot read, and say, 'Read this, please,' he will answer, 'I don't know how to read.'" - Isaiah 29:10-12

He has blinded their eyes and deadened their hearts, so they can neither see with their eyes, nor understand with their hearts, nor turn—lest I heal them." - John 12:40

"they are blind guides." - Matthew 15:14

Variegate: "Jesus should have been the example to the one with the long comment, "

The "one" with the long comment was kyle, you dolt. And how can you say he was twisting Scripture if you admit to not getting it, let alone not reading it? You're a poor poor liar Variegate. When you lie it doesn't even look like a lie, but you babbling and wasting time for fun while loudly and angrily demanding that you be heard.

Was "kyle" not a big enough hint for you Mr. "I'm Not Stalking Trust Me, I'm Just Stopping by to Speak the Truth, Which Uh, Is My Opinion, but Trust Me, It's the Truth!"?

Variegate: "... He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth" Acts 8:32."

And quoting a verse that has to do with Jesus being murdered by your kind has to do with kyle's "long comment" which you admit to not reading and not even bothering to look at his name or copy it when it was right besides your comment when you were typing out your rant, how?

Why don't you read the verses kyle quoted, from God's word, which is the word of Jesus, which he often repeated?

Variegate: "A man of knowledge uses words with restraint,"

Then why don't you restrain yourself and stop ranting in hypocrisy?

Variegate: "and a man of understanding is even-tempered."

Then why did you shout at kyle demanding that he stop talking and only listen to you? Stupid much? Blind to your own evil stupidity much? Or do you just enjoy mocking in obvious hatred?

Variegate: "Even a fool is thought wise if he keeps silent,"

Then why don't you take your own advice and start listening to kyle instead of ranting?

Variegate: "and discerning if he holds his tongue." Proverbs 17:27-28.

Then why don't you take your own advice and start listening to kyle instead of ranting?

Variegate: "God help us, for we cannot help ourselves."

Well you just must be a good person if you said that, right? No:

"You may say to yourself, 'My power and the strength of my hands have produced this wealth for me.' But remember Yahweh your God, for it is he who gives you the ability to produce wealth" - Deuteronomy 8:17-18

You can't even pretend to be a Calvinist correctly you stupid mocker.

Now be ignored.

Michael Hutzler said...
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chrissy said...

Kyle person, doesn't your bible also say "Thou shalt not judge"?

For people like you, sitting on your soap boxes crying about other people being hypocrites, shouldn't you take a long look in the mirror?

Shannon said...

Jonard, you are fucking certifiably insane. Leaving one long, ranting, poorly written response wasn't enough. You generated several new profiles just so you could make it look as if you had other people to back you up. That is stupid, pointless and obsessive.

I find it interesting that you will take on virtually any identity just to have a forum for your spittle-flecked, maniacal ranting. First you create multiple christian profiles so you can agree with yourself, then you make up a false Pagan identity so you can argue with it on your blog.

What a pathetic, childish little waste of flesh you are.